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Evidence of meeting #2 for Status of Women in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was motions.
A recording is available from Parliament.
Evidence of meeting #2 for Status of Women in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was motions.
A recording is available from Parliament.
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The Clerk
But according to the wording of this motion, that is no longer the case.
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Bloc
Nicole Demers Bloc Laval, QC
Exactly, but previously, the clock started from the time that you received the notice of motion in your office. Now, however, the clock will start running from when we receive them in our offices.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Yasmin Ratansi
No, it's when it is sent.
Can I read it again slowly, so that it sinks in and then we can vote on it?
4:10 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Yasmin Ratansi
It reads:
That 48 hours' notice shall be required for any substantive motion to be considered by the committee and that the period of notice be calculated from the time the motion has been electronically distributed to the members of the committee by the clerk of the committee and that the motion be in both official languages.
Is that okay?
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Liberal
Maria Minna Liberal Beaches—East York, ON
If I could, just to help with the problem that Madame Demers is having, instead of saying “distributed”—because it seems to suggest that it also means when received—can we say “electronically sent”?
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Liberal
Maria Minna Liberal Beaches—East York, ON
It's the moment it's sent, not that it's received.
But mind you, it's received pretty quickly. So I don't know....
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Yasmin Ratansi
So the confusion, Madame Demers, is about when this thing went out. We're just trying to flow information. So if it goes out from Mr. Stanton to the clerk on Monday at 5 p.m. in both official languages, and then the clerk sends it—
4:10 p.m.
The Clerk
The clerk is sitting here, so she won't receive it, and she won't go back to her office after that. You have a meeting at 3:30. That's another problem you're looking at.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Yasmin Ratansi
We're just throwing out some problems so you can solve them in your head and then tell us how it goes, just in case.
I'm just giving you a scenario. Your office sends a motion. Say your office sends a motion at 5 p.m. We sit from 3:30 to 5:30 p.m. It is in both official languages, but the clerk has received it in her office, electronically, and the clerk is not going back to the office until Tuesday morning at eight o'clock. So she's deemed to have received it at 8 a.m. Or are you going to deem that she received it at 5 p.m.?
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Conservative
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Liberal
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Yasmin Ratansi
Okay. Whatever confusion there was, it's more confusing.
I'll give you one last thing, and then let's vote on it, unless you want to change some wording.
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Conservative
Bruce Stanton Conservative Simcoe North, ON
We're relying on the clerk's office to expedite this as best they can, as I'm sure they will.
The point is that when it is sent out electronically, whatever has to be done to it to prepare it and send it to the committee, that is when the 48 hours starts. If it doesn't make it for the next meeting in two days, then it will be for the meeting after that. It's very straightforward.
4:15 p.m.
Liberal
Maria Minna Liberal Beaches—East York, ON
Madam Chair, I have to admit that I'm finding this particular discussion rather....
4:15 p.m.
Liberal
Maria Minna Liberal Beaches—East York, ON
Yes, it is. I don't see what's wrong with what we had before.
In every other process in my life..... I'm starting to remember that when I sent papers for my election, Elections Canada deemed them to have been received when they received them, not when they sent them back to whomever. In every other system it is when you receive it.
You know what? I'm sticking with what we have. When the clerk receives it, it's deemed to have been received, fine. Let's move on. This is getting too complicated.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Yasmin Ratansi
Let's vote on what has been proposed and on the changes that have been made. I've read it two times already, so I'm not going to read it again.
(Amendment negatived)
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Yasmin Ratansi
Now, since we said that those were the only two things, can we therefore say that we are now moving on to the business of the committee? Yes?
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Some hon. members
Agreed.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Yasmin Ratansi
Okay. So, we've done the routine motions.
Committee members, you have in front of you motions from Madame Demers, Ms. Mathyssen, and Ms. Davidson.