I think I'm hearing that although this has been an issue for a long time, we are making progress, and maybe it needs to have more time so that we can measure that progress. I'm not really sure.
I hear you saying that we've got a lot of measures in place, and there aren't a lot of other suggestions coming from either of your two departments regarding further suggestions, such as to continue what we're doing and maybe strengthen some of the recommendations going to the individual departments so that they'll bring back more conclusive evidence that it's happening.
Is this going to take time? Are we being too impatient? Has it not had the opportunity to show the results that we, all around this table, think we need to be seeing? I'm sure you've heard our frustration at not being able to put our hands on what actually has happened and what progress has been made.
Maybe part of it is the fact of confidentiality, as we've discussed before. I think it's the frustration level. I know we haven't spoken with Finance yet, and I'm quite sure some of our questions will be answered once we have that opportunity next week, but maybe you could comment on the timeframe that might be involved in our having a better understanding and seeing this more concretely. I think everybody so far has said it's not something you can just legislate and say it has to be done; it's something that has to become....