When you're dealing with a municipal government, it's very different from when you're dealing with a national government. Even at the municipal level there has been a concern that this is a very large undertaking. That's actually why San Francisco started with a few departments. In fact, they're wondering now, having to make a decision, whether to ask all departments to do this or just start with some departments. This is a concern even at the municipal level.
My background is a little bit different from some of your other witnesses. My background really comes out of a budgeting background, and I've worked in other budget reforms over the years. Whenever there is a budget reform, everybody throws up their hands and says, “We'll never be able to do this”. Some of them have been successful and some of them haven't.
I don't think it's bad to not necessarily do everything at once. I don't think it's bad to start perhaps in some departments, not necessarily women's departments, and use experiences there to then build on that, because then there is at least something that says to departments that this is what's been done and these are the problems they have had and this is how they've solved them, and we can go from there. Doing it incrementally, to me, is not a bad idea.
I don't know how Janet feels about this.