And I appreciate that there is a mixture of opinions on this.
But in point of fact, we have been hearing that there has been progress made in making advances by our own department, Status of Women Canada, who point to some successes in continuing to enshrine this culture of analysis within the department.
It gets me to the final point, and I'd ask our other two witnesses to perhaps comment briefly on this, if they could. Is the sense that while we are engaging in our decision-making processes, the outcomes of those don't necessarily...? I mean, commentators are saying, well, we don't think that the outcomes of those decisions are the way we would like them to be, so therefore the gender-based analysis is not working.
So somehow we have to close this gap between the instruments, the infrastructure, being in place, but also the ability to measure that on the back side to point to the fact that they are in fact working. We have to somehow close this gap. How do we do that?