Madam Glover, I would like to actually take a pause. I know we have Ms. Mathyssen yet to speak, but I would like to comment on the tone of this meeting.
We have members speaking to other members in what I consider to be a condescending and lecturing fashion. It is not appropriate for people to believe that they can do so and say to others, “Forgive me for doing it, I didn't mean that”. Then when a member politely corrects the chair, and the chair says in fact that the correction was inappropriate because the chair was stating what did happen, and then there was this need to come back to speak to the chair, it doesn't.... You cannot, in a meeting following rules of procedure, which I have done, ever find a way to legislate courtesy. Attitudes stem from attitudes. When people speak to each other in condescending tones, when they speak to each other in a way that presumes the other person has some sort of hidden agenda, it does not create a good feeling among everyone in the room, and it tends to make other people respond when spoken to in a condescending manner.
I would like to suggest, Ms. Glover, without continuing this conversation any more, that when we speak about who is condescending, we need to sometimes look in a mirror and ask ourselves if we often speak to each other and that it's okay for one person to be condescending to another, but when that person responds, it's not okay.
You have been very condescending to me, Ms. Glover, from the day you came to that last meeting and now. You speak in a condescending manner. I will accept that you do not intend to do it, and I will put the matter to rest now.
Thank you.
We have Ms. Mathyssen ready to speak.