And you've already used up your three minutes, I'm sorry.
We've finished with our third round, and I suggest every one of the panel be given a minute to wrap up.
It sounds to me, just putting together what I heard from everyone, as though the Conservatives have said they agree with the objective. So I don't get a sense that people are in disagreement with the objective. In my opinion, the disagreement with the process and how to get there is fundamental to what is happening. Everyone thinks there are different ways to get there.
You've made some extremely good points. I think the reason there's a difference in how to get there lies in the fundamental issue of understanding that pay equity is extremely different from same salary. In other words, even if you said that everyone in a particular place, even if they're men and women, will get the same salary, if it is in a category in which women have traditionally been the worker, then that is inherently undervalued. The whole issue of pay equity is that it began at the time when only men were in the workforce. When women came into the workforce, their jobs were valued as purely women's work. They were valued at a totally different rate. So secretaries were paid very differently and their work was valued lower than janitors' work because of an inherent gender discrimination at the time because women were not encouraged to be in the workforce.
To bring that together, to right that historic wrong, if you even say that all people will get the same salary as the women in the pool, it still doesn't bring up the value of the work that was traditionally done by women. That, I suppose, is what pay equity is about, and that is why it's defined as a right, because inherent in it is the issue of a traditional gender discrimination that undervalued the work traditionally done by women versus the work that was traditionally done by men.
I think everyone has made very good points and I would ask you, therefore, to do a one-minute wrap-up each, starting with Ms. Healy.
You didn't say a word, so I thought I'd give you a chance.