Thank you, Madam Chair.
I think I need to start, as I probably have in each hearing we've had on this particular issue, with the very sincere comment that I think everyone is trying to achieve the same goal. We perhaps have a different world lens, in terms of how we can achieve it. I would really like to put on the table that this is the sincere interest of the government.
I know that democracy is not always efficient, but I also believe in a pragmatic approach to getting things done. I also believe that to truly embed equity, we have to start to make it widespread and embed it everywhere. We can't count on the expertise of a panel that has to spend years. We have to develop skills and expertise throughout Canada, in terms of doing the job and in terms of the pay equity issues. I actually believe that we can develop skills and expertise throughout.
I want to focus in on two particular issues, and I have one quick question to Ms. Birenbaum.
You mentioned aboriginal women as compared to men. I know aboriginals, period, have real challenges with employment. Do you have the statistics for aboriginal women compared to aboriginal men, in terms of that statistic that you talked about earlier? If not, that would really be appreciated.