I've seen that attitude. In fact, it's even intertwined in some of the systems that are in place in this country. If someone applies to move to Canada, they find it difficult to be admissible because the point system doesn't give the same recognition to trades training as it does a Ph.D. So I think there are attitude issues, but there are also systemic issues in terms of the programs and policies we've had for a long time, such as the immigration system.
Our organization is concerned about labour supply, so at the end of the day, when we're forecasting and figuring out what we need to do to get the workforce that we have to provide to our contractors, sometimes we look outside of Canada, and there are even little bits of that in the immigration system.