We have five minutes left, and I don't think we can do another round. Perhaps the chair could ask a question.
Could somebody tell me if anyone has ever used a charter challenge against the regional disparities or the regional discrimination, as Mr. Battle called it, of EI? Has anyone ever done that?
If you don't have that answer, the other question is on the issue of the unemployed, and I think Ms. McLeod and others touched on it. There are businesses that make a fairly large amount of money that fit into the self-employed category, the small and medium business groups. But there are also women whose only way to work with a lack of child care is to work at home and be self-employed. We know these women are making $19,000, $20,000 a year. If, for some reason, they can no longer work, they have no source of income whatsoever and they are forced to go on welfare. As Madame Dépatie said, welfare is not something that most people would like to have. They'd like to work.
With regard to bringing the self-employed into this, which I think is a good idea, the argument has always been that people would just collect it as self-employed, and because they don't lay themselves off, they can't say, well, there's a layoff and I've lost my job. There would be abuse of that system. Can you answer that question?