Okay. Very quickly, my experience is a little different, because I go into a lot of places of work to help. In small communities, in mills, for instance, women want to go in there for the money, right, because it's really, really good money.
So what you have to do is go into places where women are and send women who do that work to where women are. You have to go to the local community college and say that you need to sit down together and design a course that will make women successful as welders or whatever, you have to promote it like heck, and then go into an equal pulling-in program. It's the same for men. Many years ago, we had to talk in unions about how men should be proud of being blue-collar workers. I think we need to do a program where women should be proud of becoming blue-collar workers. I've seen it being very successful.