I think we need to do some work as a committee, so we will not have a third round. There just isn't any time for it. We have about five minutes to go before we move on.
I want to thank everyone for coming today. Normally the chair may ask a question when everyone else has had their opportunity, and we do have a little bit of time. I'm going to ask a question because I've listened, and I think what we've done here is a he-said-she-said thing.
At the end of the day, what I wish to know is simply this. What if, as Ms. Byers and Ms. O'Donnell said, you go out there and encourage women come into non-traditional work, you give them all the information, and tell them what the pay structures are, etc., as Ms. Marynuik said, and you say to them, come on, let's get in here, you should be proud to go into this kind of job...? However, I have heard there is already an extraordinarily long list and that list is primarily male, and there are two lists. One is the union list and one is the casual list. How do you get women to go in when there is absolutely no way to get them in?
There is no room for them. As we used to say in the old days, there is this very thick layer of men to get through before they can get there. What is the practical solution to this? Because we would like to see women move into non-traditional work and I would like to hear a quick practical solution. I'll let one person from that side answer quickly, and then one person from this side. Let's go.
Tom.