The other thing, as I said, is that a lot of the office staff, if they're in the ILWU, are all earning approximately $30 an hour or more. If they're working as non-union workers for the employer, a lot of them are making about $15 an hour. So if they let them join the union, we'll improve their way of life immensely.
On April 12th, 2010. See this statement in context.