I think you have to listen to girls and why they aren't going into scientific areas. I think there is a very complex set of messages here perhaps—or maybe they're very simple.
Unless you have a participatory approach, unless you have other girls and women doing this work—and I know there have been studies around mentorship and so on.... I don't think we can ever do enough of that. I think we have to take a look at what is happening to girls when they are 12, 13, and what the competing messages are.
It's totally fine for boys to make these kinds of decisions; it isn't for girls. I think that until we have a complete change of—