Thank you very much.
To both Mr. Gaon and Mr. Rootham, thank you so much for your information today. It helps to give us a handle on it to hear from people from the outside who deal with this. We can hear from all kinds of departments, but we're hearing the real stuff from both of you as far as the kind of work you do and what you've actually seen.
I have to say that I have great faith in our country and in our public service at all levels, because I think we're way ahead of a lot of countries. But even though we may be ahead, we still have significant issues.
If you don't change the culture of the environment people are working in, it's impossible, no matter how many rules there are. The RCMP's 2008 policy you referred to was a great policy. They've had huge problems, and so have many others, with acts that are under-reported. It's for a lot of reasons, and I'm not sure that the policies are going to change that. It's more to do with the culture and training.
I think the federal public service is an example of putting all kinds of things in place but still having the problems. Until we change the culture of organizations, I'm not sure we're going to be able to solve some of these issues. I'd like your comments.