I would say we have zero influence over them to tell them how to do it and how to implement the culture. What we can do is raise the issue and raise the notion that there is an issue with the cultural aspect. I think harassment is a very good example of this coming out.
It comes out in numbers. A couple of weeks ago Mr. Wenek showed a fairly positive picture of the Canadian Forces, simply based on numbers. There's more to it than that. There's the culture issue. There's the fact that from what we see and the number of complaints we receive at the office, there's a clear fear of reprisal if people move forward and make an official complaint, either on harassment or anything else.
Actually, the numbers are fairly high. Even in Mr. Wenek's numbers, he's talking about CF harassment surveys that were done in 1992 and 1997. In there he had numbers showing that the numbers were getting better and the culture is changing slightly, but they are still significantly high numbers.
One of those numbers in that survey showed there's still 14% of women who felt they were sexually harassed—14%. Let's say the population of women in the CF is 14% of the total of 70,000, so it's about 10,000 women in the Canadian Forces. Of that 10,000 women, when you look at his numbers, it's 14%, or 1,400 women, but only three or four people complained. How come it's such a huge gap? It is huge—huge.