And once they get in there, they prove themselves time and time again. It's just a matter of getting them to take that step, to jump in there.
My next question is for Betsy Kennedy. What are some of the barriers that first nations women face when they are pursuing jobs or when they're going into higher education? They certainly face a lot of barriers, a lot of challenges. What are some of the challenges they face that first nations men don't face, and why?