The changes that took place now have dictated, if you will, that unions can no longer represent their members in a pay equity complaint. Should we counsel or should we try to represent them, then it's a $10,000 fine.
What the PSECA says is that they want unions to negotiate pay equity at the table. Well, it's not something that you negotiate, because you certainly don't give up pay equity for something else. When you go to the negotiating table, you go there with some give and take. Pay equity is not an issue that would ever be negotiated. We disagree with that.
But PSECA does clearly say that if we are to represent our members, then the fine is $10,000.