Even though it doesn't seem like a tough question it's a tough question. I think so much needs to be done that hasn't been done. I think people get bits and pieces. I don't know that I can say what I think needs to be done has been done comprehensively anywhere. For example, I travel on university campuses constantly. I was at a university last night and the night before and tonight. Each night I'll be at a different university here in the south. People ask me what colleges and universities are doing this right, that you can point to. I told them I can't even point to one in the United States. I can say good people are doing good things in bits and pieces but does anybody have a comprehensive strategy that I would say I would hang my hat on? The answer is no.
There are great NGOs in parts of the world that are against huge odds and doing good work. Like Sonke Gender Justice in South Africa. South Africa has a huge problem of sexual and domestic violence. They're a small NGO. One of the things they've done in their outreach to men—and it's a brilliant strategy—is they're combining issues of direct concern to men, not to altruistic concern for women, in other words, working with men. It's not just saying to men, you need to help women because it's your responsibility, it's because your mothers are women, and all that kind of stuff. It's not just that. It's also due to the transmission of HIV being a huge problem for men as well. A lot of men are buying into these cultural ideas of manhood, not using a condom, and acting in certain ways that are self-destructive. A lot of men get caught up in buying into some of these definitions of manhood that are both self-destructive and hurtful to others, including women. If you integrate a direct self-interest piece into your discussions with men, like Sonke Gender Justice does, you're going to get more men paying closer attention.