From my understanding of the programs at John Howard, which does some very good work, their anger management programs don't work. It's crazy; it's a course that you're mandated to take, but they are not as informed as they should be. The issue isn't just anger. The anger is coming from a place, and that's where we need to go. The programs are not effective. Women are saying that they're not effective and men are saying that they're not effective.
In aboriginal communities we've seen great success in restorative justice. That has certainly been adopted and trumpeted. I do have to tell you, sadly, that aboriginal women are telling us that it does not work in instances of rape, sexual assault, or interpersonal violence. It doesn't work in those cases.