You gotta like a good Makita girl, but at a certain point it gets tiresome. I think women mentors as well as the witnesses from the Carleton program have demonstrated so clearly through their work, putting in place those women role models, and frankly, speaking to men in those programs. I think of course we need to speak to women and change their attitudes, but we also need to speak to men within the skilled trades, and men going into those programs to change their attitudes. To reiterate what Suzanne said, the report on women in mining also found that the majority of industry and mining had no recruitment policies specifically aimed at women, yet they were making exactly the complaint that you reiterated, which is we don't have enough skilled workers. The women in mining—and they're already there—are saying they're there, but these are the barriers.
