It's very positive that we are in a different generation right now. I look at the conversations I have with my children. I have a gender-balanced family: two boys, two girls. We don't talk about differences in female or male, skin colour, ethnicity, or sexuality. We talk about everybody as people, as one.
I'm with you, Karen. I really think we are the leaders in this conversation, and that my children will not sit there and say, “She's a woman, so she doesn't deserve to be in that position,” or “He's a man, so he's going to get the role.” No. In fact, I had an instance where two of us were applying for a position on a board—