Evidence of meeting #11 for Status of Women in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was training.

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MPs speaking

Also speaking

Justine Akman  Director General, Policy and External Relations, Policy and External Relations Directorate, Status of Women Canada
Vaughn Charlton  Manager, Gender-Based Analysis, Status of Women Canada
Fraser Valentine  Director General, Strategic Policy and Planning , Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Maia Welbourne  Director General, Immigration Branch, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

4:25 p.m.

Director General, Policy and External Relations, Policy and External Relations Directorate, Status of Women Canada

Justine Akman

I'm not sure if you're hearing from the Privy Council Office in this committee. Yes? Okay.

They will be able to answer that with a greater level of detail, but as per the action plan following the Auditor General's report, they have committed to making a checklist. It's just to ensure a more robust GBA is done at the point of the memorandum to cabinet or the policy proposal.

At the moment, there is a paragraph in the consideration section that addresses GBA. Depending on the department, the timing of the initiative, the priorities, and so on, sometimes it was a tack-on at the end. I know that PCO is currently doing a lot of thinking to ensure that GBA is considered all the way through the policy process and is really integrated into the whole policy thinking and development process. If you are hearing from them, you'll hear more about their thinking on that.

I will just add that they have committed to ensuring that all of their staff take the GBA training by this fall, so that should also make a difference. That includes the senior management.

4:25 p.m.

NDP

Sheila Malcolmson NDP Nanaimo—Ladysmith, BC

Excellent.

Does Status of Women still have a gender-based analysis directorate? If not, what's the equivalent?

4:25 p.m.

A voice

You're looking at her.

4:25 p.m.

Manager, Gender-Based Analysis, Status of Women Canada

Vaughn Charlton

Yes, you're looking at her.

We do have a GBA team. I'm the manager of that group, and I would say that it's mostly dedicated to developing those tools, delivering the training, and doing outreach and awareness raising.

4:25 p.m.

Director General, Policy and External Relations, Policy and External Relations Directorate, Status of Women Canada

Justine Akman

I would just add that the Auditor General's report did make us rethink our GBA capacity. It's really something that we need to do and support throughout the entire agency, including in all of the policy work that we do, in the support for our minister, and in memoranda to cabinet. We are definitely expanding our resources in terms of GBA and the agency.

4:25 p.m.

NDP

Sheila Malcolmson NDP Nanaimo—Ladysmith, BC

Is it the same name? Is it still called a directorate?

4:25 p.m.

Director General, Policy and External Relations, Policy and External Relations Directorate, Status of Women Canada

Justine Akman

I'm not sure where that name came from.

4:25 p.m.

NDP

Sheila Malcolmson NDP Nanaimo—Ladysmith, BC

So it's probably old language.

Good, thank you. I appreciate your time and your work.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Marilyn Gladu

Very good. I'd like to thank Justine and Vaughn for joining us today and for their answers, which were, as always, very helpful to us. I'm sure that as we go forward with GBA, the demands on your department for facilitation and help will only increase. Thanks again.

We're going to suspend for two minutes while we switch gears and move on to our Department of Immigration.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Marilyn Gladu

I call the meeting back to order.

From the Department of Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada, we're very happy to have with us today Fraser Valentine, director general, strategic policy and planning, and Maia Welbourne, director general, immigration branch.

They are going to begin with 10 minutes of shared opening comments before we begin our round of questions.

Go ahead.

4:30 p.m.

Fraser Valentine Director General, Strategic Policy and Planning , Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Thanks very much, Madam Chair, and thank you very much to the committee for the invitation to appear before you twice in two weeks.

My name, as the chair said, is Fraser Valentine, and I am the director general of strategic policy and planning at Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada. I am also the functional authority for gender-based analysis at IRCC, meaning that I am the focal point or the centre of responsibility inside the department for GBA. It is housed in my organization.

I'm joined by Maia Welbourne, who, as the chair said, is the director general of the immigration branch. It is the part of the department that is responsible for selection policy on both the permanent resident and the temporary resident side, so it's all of the business lines. Maia is also the departmental champion for GBA.

I understand that your study focuses on the application of gender-based analysis and the ways in which it's being implemented across the federal government to advance gender equality. I'm very glad to have the opportunity to speak to you about my department's approach to, and our experiences with, GBA.

In many ways, I expect that our experience with GBA is similar to that of other departments and agencies that you will hear from. It's also in line with what I know you have heard from colleagues at Status of Women Canada. However, the starting point for my presentation is the one way in which IRCC is different.

As you know, my department is the only one operating within a legislative framework that requires GBA. Section 94 of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act, the legislation that governs most of the lines of business inside IRCC, stipulates that as part of an annual report to Parliament, the minister must include a gender-based analysis of the impact of the legislation.

We feel the application of GBA has accomplished a couple of very specific results. I would like to share them with the committee.

The first and most obvious impact is the analysis contained in the annual report itself. Every year, the Minister of Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship tables a report on immigration, which includes a sizeable GBA section, drawing heavily on gender-disaggregated data about both permanent and temporary resident flows to Canada. These are broken down by immigration class and program, and specific programs and impacts are highlighted.

A second important impact of the legislative requirement in the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act is that it has informed our application of GBA throughout the department. I would say that it has influenced how we have understood, how we have applied, and how we use GBA across the department. That very much applies both to the tools and the processes that we've developed internally. As well, it more broadly influences the culture that we've tried to foster in the department with respect to the application of GBA.

In addition to the considerable amounts of sex-disaggregated data that we generate, disseminate, and use, I'd like to provide you with a couple of steps that we've also found very useful.

First, we have created a focal point within the department that provides guidance and advice to branches or sections of the department on implementing GBA into both program and policy development. At IRCC, our GBA unit has been established in my organization, the strategic policy and planning branch, and it acts as the functional authority in facilitating, convening, and supporting the application and implementation of GBA.

Second, we believe that good tools and guidance must be available throughout the department. We believe very strongly that it would limit the effectiveness of GBA if the function of GBA were isolated in one specific area of the department.

At IRCC, I would highlight two measures that we've recently taken to disperse the application and use of GBA. First, we've instituted an intradepartmental working group on GBA, which is a bureaucratic term for those of us inside a department talking to each other and bringing together representatives from various branches to serve as an outlet for resource sharing, for best practices, and for knowledge dissemination. Second, we've also developed a new assessment tool on GBA that's used as a practical way for analysts at the working level to support program and policy development at the outset of the policy-making process in assessing GBA implications.

Third, training is important and critical. Our colleagues at Status of Women Canada have helped the federal government in developing a very good online course on the application of GBA, as you have just heard. This is something that we feel is important for departmental staff to take advantage of, even to the point of making that training mandatory for executives in several branches where policy and program issues they deal with most often have GBA implications and considerations.

Finally, the deputy minister has appointed a GBA champion for IRCC. We believe that having a champion who is separate from the focal point or responsibility centre is important to give GBA both function and profile. At IRCC the champion has a key role in promoting GBA across the department to both staff and senior management.

Many of the features of our GBA approach that I've outlined here are not novel in themselves; in fact, they align quite closely with the departmental action plan on GBA, which was developed by Status of Women Canada in response to the 2009 Auditor General report on GBA. At IRCC we are of the view that we have fully implemented and are fully compliant with that departmental action plan. However, in 2015, under my authority as the functional lead for GBA, we decided to conduct a department-wide review of GBA to assess the application and results of the approach and to identify any areas that may benefit from being strengthened. We found four key things that I'd like to share with you.

First, we found that GBA is being conducted at IRCC. We have identified concrete areas where the approach has influenced program and policy development as well as changes to our operations in the field. At the same time, we know that the application could continue to be more rigorous.

Second, we identified that the utility and importance of GBA is understood across the department at all levels of the organization, but we also found that this understanding is uneven and that there is a need for GBA to be better understood by departmental staff across the organization and at all levels of the organization.

Third, we must continue to strive for a broader and more systemic application of GBA in the department and in the field.

Finally, monitoring and reporting mechanisms, including the annual report to Parliament on immigration, could continue to be enhanced.

We are now acting on this review, including through enhanced training that we recently implemented and through communication and promotional efforts, and we've recently put in place a new GBA performance measurement framework.

Overall, I would say that the department is well positioned to be a GBA leader among departments in the system. We have some important pieces in place, but of course we're always looking to improve. We feel it's likely very appropriate for us to continue to assess the application and make adjustments as we go. We don't view this as an end state. GBA is not something you reach and then finish; it's something you apply on an ongoing basis. I often think of it as a lens. The key is to ensure that we can teach our folks in the department how to use that lens, how to focus the lens, and where to focus the lens.

We also feel very strongly that GBA, to be successful, is about culture. As you heard from colleagues from Status of Women, it's about leadership and ensuring that there is leadership in the department, particularly at the top but also among senior management, to ensure that its application is consistent.

I'll now turn it over to my colleague Maia Welbourne, who will say a little bit more about her role as a GBA champion and offer some observations on her experience.

4:40 p.m.

Maia Welbourne Director General, Immigration Branch, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Thank you very much.

A key part of my role as champion is to promote and communicate the importance of GBA within the department. It's not enough to have departmental policy if nobody knows about it or is reminded of it. IRCC's departmental policy on GBA+ states that IRCC will ensure that the needs of diverse groups of women and men, girls and boys are considered in the development and implementation of policies and programs across IRCC's business lines with the intention of better reflecting Canadian values and government commitments on progress toward gender equality.

Part of promoting GBA can be about highlighting instances where the analysis has been done well and has made a difference. I'd like to highlight a couple of examples here.

In 2014, a gender-based analysis was conducted for the live-in caregiver program. The main findings indicated that while it was a helpful route to permanent resident status for many women, the program's design was also one that may place this population in potential situations of vulnerability due to the live-in requirement.

On November 30, 2014, the Government of Canada introduced reforms to the caregiver program, including two new caregiver pathways that do not require the caregiver to live with their employer.

Another example of a current initiative the department is developing is a proposal to allow the minister to meet a mandate letter commitment to raise the maximum age of a dependent child to 22 from 19. This change would require an amendment to the immigration and refugee protection regulations.

We will be using our new assessment tool on GBA+ to both pilot the tool and to assist officials in developing our understanding of the potential impacts of this possible regulatory amendment on diverse groups of people. For this assessment, we will use diverse data on past cohorts of immigrants in terms of their gender, age, country of origin, immigration category, and other variables that will help us assess which groups may be most affected.

Thank you for the opportunity to appear before you. We look forward to the findings of this committee.

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Marilyn Gladu

Thank you.

We will begin our questioning with Mr. Fraser.

4:40 p.m.

Liberal

Sean Fraser Liberal Central Nova, NS

Thank you very much, Madam Chair, and thank you for being here.

One of the reasons we wanted to hear from you first is, of course, the fact that immigration is mandated in the legislation to implement a GBA strategy.

What changed when the requirement to implement it became mandatory?

4:45 p.m.

Director General, Strategic Policy and Planning , Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Fraser Valentine

I wasn't in the department when that happened. It happened in 2002 when the legislation was passed. Maia may have been in the department...no, she wasn't in the department then. From talking with my colleagues, I know that there was clearly an immediate impact, and we've had a bit of a lasting impact.

A legislative change is blunt because it's legislation, so the immediate impact was that it required the Minister of Immigration to report annually to Parliament on the application of GBA and the outcomes that were achieved through it.

The way the department has approached that since that time is to focus on our admissions on an annual basis. The minister reports on an annual basis on the number of permanent residents coming to Canada, so there is a separate chapter in that report on GBA. It provides a very detailed outline of sex-disaggregated data in all of the different immigration categories.

What I found, though, over the medium term, and in particular working with colleagues from Status of Women Canada, is that the legislative requirement has also influenced the culture of the department because of the annual requirement. We did have to immediately build capacity in the department to ensure we could meet that legislative requirement, which has had a cascading impact throughout the department as a result.

Legislation in itself is probably not the panacea or sufficient. It's one important tool. The other, though, as my colleague from Status of Women said, is leadership. We've had sustained and committed leadership at senior management levels to the application of GBA, which has ensured that we continue to learn how to apply it and also adapt how we continue to measure and report through it.

4:45 p.m.

Liberal

Sean Fraser Liberal Central Nova, NS

During the implementation phase, which I realize is ongoing from your chat at the beginning, what were the biggest challenges you felt the department had to clear to implement a successful GBA analysis?

4:45 p.m.

Director General, Strategic Policy and Planning , Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Fraser Valentine

I think the biggest challenge is capacity.

There's a lot of very interesting academic literature on the application of GBA from a public policy perspective, largely from feminist scholars who have studied the difference after gender-based analysis was mainstreamed in Canada post-1995, when the Beijing declaration was issued. Before that time, it was mostly pressure from outside the state that tried to make changes and exert that gender-based analysis lens.

The application of GBA meant that it was mainstreamed inside the federal bureaucracy. I think in the short term we needed to ensure that we could build the capacity to undertake that analysis.

One of the critiques in the academic literature and in other public policy spheres of the mainstreaming is that you don't necessarily know that the application and tools being used through that gender lens are appropriate, because it's very much happening inside a bureaucratic institution.

I think, though, the area in which we've made a lot of progress—and we have in many respects the Auditor General to thank for this—is in ongoing and sustained review of how this has been applied. Clearly the Auditor General has found that there are things that could be improved, and, through the leadership of Status of Women, we have been working with partners to continue to build that capacity.

So, Mr. Fraser, I would answer your question by saying that capacity was the short-term challenge, but I think it continues to be a challenge throughout. It's something we need to work on in a sustained way.

4:45 p.m.

Liberal

Sean Fraser Liberal Central Nova, NS

Ms. Welbourne, I understand that as a GBA champion you liaise with people in similar roles in other departments. Do your conversations with them highlight any challenges they are facing that are similar to what you experienced at the Department of Immigration?

4:45 p.m.

Director General, Immigration Branch, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Maia Welbourne

Actually, that's quite topical, because as my colleagues from Status of Women may have mentioned, there is an interdepartmental working group of champions that meets regularly, convened by Status of Women. In fact, we had a meeting yesterday afternoon, as it happens. This is a great opportunity to hear from one another about things that are working well and about areas for improvement.

Our Status of Women colleagues essentially outlined the plan that you heard from them today for engaging with deputy ministers and getting more feedback on some of those aspects, such as the barriers to GBA being rolled out. We also agreed at that meeting that we should meet more regularly, because it provides a rich environment for a really good exchange of ideas and views.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

Sean Fraser Liberal Central Nova, NS

Excellent.

I think I have just a minute and a half left or so, Madam Chair.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Marilyn Gladu

That's correct.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

Sean Fraser Liberal Central Nova, NS

Mr. Valentine, you ran through a handful of very useful tools that I think are great examples, but the broader themes—I want to take a step back—that I hear you both referring to are culture, leadership, and capacity.

Do you have any advice for other departments that would help them reach the level of success that we're seeing in your department?

4:50 p.m.

Director General, Strategic Policy and Planning , Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Fraser Valentine

I believe, based on our experience, that the action plan that Status of Women has laid out, with those six building blocks, as I would characterize them, is pretty essential. It is a menu that will allow a department to have the essential elements to advance the application and the use of GBA within itself.

What's critical, though, I also think, is that senior management set out very clearly the expectations for staff with respect to GBA, so that it's something that cascades throughout the department. In 2011, then-Citizenship and Immigration Canada implemented a GBA policy, which is a department-wide policy, and the policy makes it very clear that the responsibility for the use and application of GBA is accountable at all levels of the organization. It stipulates people at my director general level, at the director level, and then at the analyst level. This is in fact, I think, what's critical, which is why, then, training is critical.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Marilyn Gladu

Wonderful.

We go over to Ms. Vecchio for seven minutes.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Karen Vecchio Conservative Elgin—Middlesex—London, ON

Thanks, Madam Chair.

Thanks very much, once again, for returning.

The 2015 annual report on immigration noted that certain classes of immigrants—notably the Canadian experience class—have been stagnating or declining in female participation in recent years. How does GBA aid in reversing these negative trends?