I had a chat with the former head of the Indigenous Physicians Association, and I asked him about his thoughts on it. I'm wary of speaking for him in this forum, but I'd invite the committee to ask him to come in front of us, as well.
He said the underlying issue is that there is an idea that you can have too many children. Is that something the department has found as well, an underlying idea that you can have too many children and therefore we need to step in?