I think the pertinent question for this committee, as well, is about poverty and eliminating poverty earlier in the life course. There are various ways that one could think about that. Some of it, I suppose, really comes back to care and labour, women being compensated for care work and/or in the labour market. If we take for granted that the pension structure is set up as it is, then we need to be able to find ways for women to have that kind of 40-year calculation of full-time work that would lift them out of poverty.
One of the experiments I'm interested in seeing 20 years from now is what will happen in the case of Quebec, where you had public day care and women returning to work. I suppose we would need 30 to 35 years. How does that, or does it actually, lift older women out of poverty? My impression would be that it probably would, because it's changed the labour force contributions of women. The question to go along with that, though, is whether women and their families—and here I'm talking about younger women with families—can afford their housing. So that's the key question.