I would agree with that also. I also think that there's a role for Treasury Board, because they are very powerful, and we need to be able to hold them accountable. It's very, very important. They influence a great deal, and we need to recognize that.
I think that some of the things we need to look at when we're doing this phased-in approach is thinking about where we may need to start, who the leaders will be, and who will model change. We should get some of the more powerful departments to take on that role. That's when it's a lot easier to pull others along. If you start with something because it looks like it might be easy to do, you won't get the really powerful departments to follow along on their own very easily. Strategically, I would start by looking at something like the Treasury Board and seeing what anchors you could use to get them on board.