I was saying it has to be an effort that's based on the different paths that orientation needs in each and every department, because those are the basic tools you need. It's not one-size-fits-all. I think that's important. You need the leadership, and you need training, but it's design training to be very specific. The people build their capacity and their comfort levels because that's important.
On May 12th, 2016. See this statement in context.