I think what I said is that in the gender and health unit we're not subject matter experts. We can't possibly be experts in everything that goes on in the department, so it's really much more about the process and supporting people.
I really like the phrase from the New Zealand witness in terms of walking “alongside” someone. This sort of goes to my point in terms of this being not a one-time shot. I think training can help raise awareness. I don't know that it necessarily helps develop the skill.
SGBA is something that's embedded in a suite, in a larger policy analysis, right? People go to university for that kind of thing and spend four years learning how to think critically, how to understand research, and how to read quantitative and qualitative research. To embed SGBA in something like that effectively really takes continued time and effort. It's not something that people will necessarily snap up in a two-day course or a three-hour module.