Thank you very much. That is very compelling.
Both witnesses actually talked about the fact that there seemed to be reluctance at first for men to engage in these conversations, and yet once they do, there is an awakening, a realization, a hunger, to have these kinds of conversations.
What I got from both of you is it matters who is leading the conversation. You mentioned the RCMP as not necessarily the right one, and of course, a sports hero is somebody young people will listen to.
How do you engage those people who become the thought leaders, the ones who will actually be listened to? This question is for both of you.
We'll start with Ms. Maracle.