It is. I appreciate that.
I have just a few minutes remaining, and perhaps another big question. I would ask you to be as concise as possible.
Ms. Harper, you led with a comment about how you hope everyone can be listened to. Ms. Kitschke, you mentioned at the end that some men and boys are the perpetrators.
I find it difficult to engage the people who don't want to be engaged, the potential perpetrators. There are a lot of people who have all the best will, and who attend these seminars during frosh week or in their communities. How can we best tap into the group of potential perpetrators of sexual violence or violence against women and girls?
Maybe, Ms. Kitschke, you could go first.