I think Jamie has mentioned it. This is work. This is work that should be paid. It's something that should continue. If you can create a new job for an indigenous man in a community, you're leaps and bounds ahead of everybody. If you can create job descriptions that are so specific like traditional knowledge, a kind man, and no addictions, and on and on, you're going to get the crème de la crème of the community coming forward. That's important.
There are people who have been doing this for a long time. There are men who have been doing this for a long time. There are male elders and traditional people who I worked with 30 and 40 years ago trying to figure out who I was who were kind men. We simply took a cultural concept that we knew was there and said it's not everybody anymore, and we need to return to that.
I would like to tell you it's difficult to do, but it's actually not that difficult. There's a bit of tongue in cheek when I say this, but the thing about men is whatever space you give them, they will fill it up so give them the space then.