In terms of what I've seen, the boys sometimes don't want to talk about it. But it's there. It's underlying. It's kind of taboo. When you go into classrooms or the community centres, you listen to the underlying stuff, like “we see this”. You hear the conversations if you're at the back of the room. Sometimes you hear a murmur.
Given the space you're in, they don't talk about it a lot. You know it's an impact because they have the technology available to them. That's the important thing. It's the simple fact that you can ask a question and, right away, you see them go to their phones. You know that it's available. You know that they do it.
We're finding that they're not forthright about that right now, but it's there. By being very observant and, sometimes, by being at the back of the room and listening, you can hear it. They don't talk about it directly, but it's there. You know it's an impact.