It's huge, and we do a lot of work around role models. I talked earlier about how people always assume it's the baby issue, and that's why women opt out of the corporate world. If you're sitting there at the mid-level in a corporation and you see no women ahead of you, you don't think it can be done. All you see are role models that are not as relatable. It's a bit of chicken and egg. We've got to get women into those positions so that they can see those role models.
We do a lot of work around STEM too, which I didn't talk about. It's a similar issue there. We're actually seeing declining numbers in university engineering programs today. I think a big part of the problem there is just not seeing those role models or seeing work environments. We have this problem in capital markets. They think of capital markets as male dominated and really competitive and aggressive and so on, but it's not the 1980s anymore. It's actually a different environment. I think when they see STEM professions generally, they don't have those role models. We do a lot of conferences for young women in high school and universities, trying to provide those role models and bring them in.
You can have a huge impact very quickly. I firmly believe we need to have a closer partnership between the corporate world and both the high school and university educational systems. That link for students is really missing. Most of them don't even know what these jobs are, but it's also seeing those role models and bringing them to young people.