Yes. I think that self-employed people don't trust that if they pay in, they will be able to claim. That's what has been shown to them over the years. There needs to be a clear way for them to understand that if they pay in this much on an ongoing basis, and they need to put in a claim, they will actually be able to get a return. I think once that's there...and I think it's really important. I don't think the government realizes what's coming down the tube, with automation and so on, and the number of people who will choose self-employment. If they can't get sick leave or maternity leave and their business has to close.... I mean, people don't close their business and go bankrupt by choice. If that happens, they need the security of those social systems.
On February 7th, 2017. See this statement in context.