I don't know how much to add except that it's not just an issue of pay. There's a problem of pension coverage, for example. Also, we have a huge problem, and this is recognized everywhere, related to pay, related to benefits, related to working conditions of retention. We have a problem of attracting workers to the profession and we have a problem retaining workers in the profession.
On a day-to-day basis in operating child care, whether it's home based or centre based, it's a problem to have high turnover of staff. It has a huge impact on the quality of the care provided.