My next question is about the $15-an-hour minimum wage. As a small business owner, we employ about 20 people in the province of New Brunswick. We pay higher than the minimum wage. However—and we've had this conversation within my family—with 20 people, it is a bit of a stretch sometimes to meet the payroll. It's not always easy.
If the minimum wage is increased to $15 an hour, the consequence is that a number of people within our company and others would be looking at.... If they are making $20 an hour, they'd like to see their wages increased by $3. How would you explain to employers the economic return of an increase in the minimum wage to $15 an hour?