Well, we have to be careful about balance for the judges. One example is that when we have a prosecutor come to talk about something involving criminal law, we will always have someone from the defence bar. There needs to be balance.
I understand that some of these advocates that you've heard from appear before the courts. We cannot have people who appear before judges in our training sessions, because the very next day a judge may walk in and have one of them in front of them.
I do know that of the people you had there, there was one group, I think it was Ms. Porteous who had been involved....
We do involve the community, but we do so carefully because the judges need a balanced approach to it.