I think the comply or explain program is good as a start but if nothing happens within a couple of years I think we have to go to stronger measures. I think that's what Minister Duncan has done with the universities. You now have the freedom to create something. People are ingenious. If they have an incentive they will engineer a solution but if they don't do anything about it then you need to get tougher.
On May 9th, 2017. See this statement in context.