We work with both men and women. First of all, we encourage women to go after those male champions and get closer to them, because you still see a separation in the workplace. It's still the old boys' club. It's still the same people who go for a drink after work. Women don't go with them. We encourage women to have these conversations with the men who they think could be good mentors. Often when you have a mentor, they will become a sponsor.
We have a mentoring program at Women in Governance. Our mentoring program is for women who are over 35 and who are very close to that glass ceiling. We ask the mentors, both men and women, to go beyond just the one-on-one mentoring and to have opportunities to bring these women to functions and to the galas they are attending, etc., so that these women are also more out there. That's another issue we see. Women don't network. They go home after work. That's a problem.