Silos and the horizontality is a very pervasive challenge across government, I would say, on many issues, gender issues certainly being one of them. I'm not going to say that it's an easy endeavour to undertake. However, it's one that we're consistently working at.
An example would be gender-based analysis. I think the minister very effectively responded to some of those questions in talking about GBA+ and our efforts to create a new culture in government, for instance, with the 80,000 public servants who have taken the online course around GBA+, that being a good example. That begins to shift the conversation around policies, programs, and operations.