The other point, though, is that one of the issues—and I think one of the last speakers mentioned this—is the classification of indigenous women. They are over-classified as maximum security. Indigenous women are 42% of the women who are classified as max. The difficulty with healing lodges is that you can't get into them until you're minimum. It's not that there aren't people. It's that there aren't people who are eligible, because they can't get themselves down to minimum by the time their sentence is close to being up.
On December 7th, 2017. See this statement in context.