We heard really good things about those, actually, and being able to get into the indigenous programming right from the beginning and not having to wait.
Something else we heard a lot about, which a number of women have been caught in, were mandatory minimums. I'm going to turn probably more to the Parole Board—no, it's not really you. Would it strictly be the Department of Justice that would make an indigenous...? Can anybody talk about that?
What we found was that there were women who.... One had been in an abusive relationship and had attacked her abuser. She's in prison and is fearful of an attack, but she got caught in a mandatory minimum and she's been sentenced to.... Among the women we spoke to, it seemed to be quite prevalent that they had been caught up in that.
Is there anybody who can comment on the number of women being caught up in that system, or should I wait until we have the Department of Justice here? Okay.
Another one that came up in terms of the Parole Board was challenges in accessing programs because of lockdowns in the prisons. Whenever there's a lockdown, programming stops. I met one woman who should have been eligible for parole but couldn't access programming because of the number of lockdowns. Do you see that a lot, or do you know about it?