Again, the board views programs as very important. I think we understand that programs are an integral part of an offender's success and reintegration. We understand that.
Again, we work with the Correctional Service of Canada so that board members understand the various programs that are being offered and what's available for offenders, so that when they meet an offender at a hearing, they'll understand whether or not an offender would be in a medium-intensity program and that sort of thing. However, a board member's assessment of an offender's risk and the relevance of program participation does vary case by case.