Well, if you measure the amount we're putting into law enforcement and into putting people in jail, in terms of what it costs to keep a person institutionalized, it's not to the economic benefit of Canadians to be doing that. What is the answer? Why are we not doing something different? It may look like it costs more in the immediate term, but even in a five-term plan you're going to be benefiting financially, socially, and every which way by investing in women and children in this area.
We've seen it in terms of the 30 years of studies and the millions of dollars that have gone into it. If that had been targeted to programs for indigenous women and child care, we would be looking at a different scenario.