We have examples of this in a number of European countries, and we documented it in the report. I think it's an important thing for family members and for grandparents.
I also spoke about the transferability of child care leave and benefits. It's a possibility. I really would like to emphasize Jacqueline's point on choice. We know, for instance, from a study in Italy, about the consequences of the increase of the minimum pension age which suddenly jumped to 67 years. For a number of parents, caregiving was not an option anymore, because they had to work. There was a sort of trade-off between losing years of contributions to meet the new pensionable age and providing the care that their daughters and sons needed. Families were facing this unacceptable choice. We have to really emphasize the importance of having a choice for families of public, quality child care systems and enabling parents and grandparents. How and how much?
There is also a matter of providing a few hours per week. On being the main caregiver, that solution for a family can be bothersome for aging parents with the responsibility and the mental load. We heard about that. It should not be taken for granted, so we have to also take that into account.