Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you to both witnesses.
I'm really hopeful after hearing from you, Mr. Whelan, and specifically your words that “leadership is a privilege that must be curated.” You're talking about taking that responsibility, taking that on, and really listening. I think this is key.
I'd like to ask both of you, though, about the bureaucracy within the Department of National Defence and within the armed forces, the CAF itself, when we talk about the recognition of that leadership and holding people to account at all levels, from the first ranks up to the highest of senior leaders, and that responsibility. Is it also true that in that responsibility we can't turn away from some of these stories, and that not listening and not hearing and refusing to hear causes a lot of the problems as well?