Sure. It was two months of hell. I don't know whether I'm allowed to say that word, but I did. It was dollars and cents. I wasn't Tom Fenske; I was just an FTE, a full-time employee, a number.
It was just a head count procedure to try to get as many people out the door as possible, and midwifery offers the perfect example of why you can't use it in the public sector. It's not a private industry. It's a public sector institution that serves the public. If this were something that could be used in the public sector, there would have been carve-outs and a conversation around “No, wait, this is a program that services the north, that services indigenous and francophone women”, but it didn't and it doesn't care.
This process doesn't care. It's cold, run by lawyers from Toronto, and it was.... In any argument that you can make that was sound, it was as though you were talking to a wall. It was “Get people out the door. Salary, benefits...we need to reduce those, so get as many people out the door....”
Right now the university is scrambling, because they have cut too deep, too far, and people are.... I've received two emails today about people who had to go on sick leave. You're walking through a war zone where there are things all over the place and you don't know what's what. I couldn't even tell you what my department's name is right now, because that's being figured out.
That's part of the problem. If this were something that could be used in the public sector, then midwifery would still exist, because everybody recognizes why it needs to stay at Laurentian and why it needs to stay in the north.