I'll just say that, as a journalist and then also as a leader of my nation, I saw the differences in how police treated even me in either of those roles. I was berated many times as a reporter for asking pointed questions. When I became a leader, I asked the head of the Winnipeg police at the time what that was all about, and he showed up in full tactical gear. When I look at it in retrospect, I think it was an intimidation tactic. They tried to intimidate me to not ask questions or make points where I was trying to hold them accountable. That's been my experience.
I was put on two committees, one with the Winnipeg police and one with the RCMP that Anita and I were a part of. We were welcomed, and we were asked questions and for our opinions. However, as soon as we got really tough on them, really pointed and really direct, we were disconnected. They stopped asking us questions. They stopped inviting answers, and that's the way it is now. We have no closure from either of those councils, and they've dishonoured our people by not having proper closure.