I think there's a power in a kinship type of relationship. I'm in a position where I become an uncle, and that is an indigenous lens. In a good way I can scold my nephews when they are behaving poorly.
We had a men's group last night and it was very powerful. One of the men who came is now 37 years old. I started with him when he was nine years old. I've been with him on and off for 28 years. He pays it back. It's generational what we're doing. At this point we have grandfathers, and we have dads, uncles and nephews who we're working with.