I understand that. I'm sorry to interrupt you, but I have limited time.
Ms. Chambers, I know this other case that happened in 1997. This man went through extensive education and extensive therapy. It did not work. Sometimes we have to accept the fact that individuals cannot change.
In those particular cases, we not only have to educate the law system, our social workers and the therapists; we also have to make sure that we're listening to the children. Do you agree?