Yes.
Evidence of meeting #118 for Status of Women in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was point.
A recording is available from Parliament.
Evidence of meeting #118 for Status of Women in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was point.
A recording is available from Parliament.
Liberal
Sonia Sidhu Liberal Brampton South, ON
Ms. Gazan had her hand up and wanted to speak first. She indicated earlier that she wanted to speak, and the chance was not given to her.
Can she speak first?
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Shelby Kramp-Neuman
I've given the floor to MP Ferreri.
I've noticed that MP Gazan has her hand up, and I acknowledge that she'll have the floor next.
Thank you.
NDP
Leah Gazan NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB
On a point of order, Chair, I had my hand up before.
The history of this committee is that we have done things in fairness. I am devastated by the way this meeting is being handled today. I would like us to be collegial. I had my hand up. I would like that to be recognized. This is a very harmful meeting for everybody.
I would like my hand to be recognized, with all due respect, Chair.
Thank you.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Shelby Kramp-Neuman
In absolute fairness, I did not see your hand. I now have, once it was acknowledged, and you'll have the floor as soon as Michelle is finished.
NDP
Leah Gazan NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB
Madam Chair, I had my hand up. In all due fairness, on a point of order, I had my hand up. I was told that I had to wait until after the vote. It was acknowledged by you. Everybody in the committee saw it.
I would like my turn to speak now, Madam Chair, with all due respect.
Thank you.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Shelby Kramp-Neuman
I did acknowledge your hand during the vote with reference to this debate. I did acknowledge Michelle first, and you will speak second.
Thank you.
Liberal
Sonia Sidhu Liberal Brampton South, ON
I have a point of order, Madam Chair.
We all saw that Ms. Gazan had her hand up before the vote and after the vote. Everyone saw that. Please be fair with her.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Shelby Kramp-Neuman
Indeed, I am being fair. I saw and acknowledged her hand up during the vote. I needn't explain myself.
What will happen is Michelle will speak, and then as soon as she is finished, Madam Gazan will happily have the floor.
NDP
Leah Gazan NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB
I have a point of order, Chair.
As somebody who has spent her life fighting about issues around violence against women, I find it deeply troubling that my hand was up but it is not being acknowledged. We are talking about a committee where we are supposed to behave in a democratic manner. Certainly, the Canadian public expects us to behave in a democratic manner.
I would like my turn to speak, with all due respect, Chair, and for us to follow rules as has always happened in this committee, and certainly under our former chair, who has indicated she will not be running. I would like my opportunity to speak.
Thank you, Madam Chair.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Shelby Kramp-Neuman
Thank you, MP Gazan. I own and I acknowledge that I saw your hand during the vote. At that point, once the debate started, I did pass the floor to MP Ferreri.
As soon as she is done, the floor will return to you.
Liberal
NDP
Leah Gazan NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB
The fact that there's not even an indigenous person on the panel today, when we are experiencing the highest rates of violence, when we did not get a chance to put in witnesses and when we just convicted a serial killer in my community for killing four women, is deeply troubling to me.
The fact that my voice is being silenced in the committee after not having an opportunity to put in witnesses is deeply offensive, deeply violent and deeply troubling. I had my hand up. I would like an opportunity to interject, Madam Chair, with all due respect.
Thank you.
Liberal
Anita Vandenbeld Liberal Ottawa West—Nepean, ON
Madam Chair, I would just like to say that I'm in the room, and I saw Leah's hand go up before Michelle indicated that she wanted to speak.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Shelby Kramp-Neuman
With all due respect, had we just continued on, we would have had both of you speak by now in the time we've allowed for this conversation. I do understand completely your frustration, Leah, and my sense of fairness is not being tested here. I saw your hand.
At this point, Ms. Ferreri has the floor.
Liberal
Jenica Atwin Liberal Fredericton, NB
I'd like to challenge your ruling. I see you've made your ruling, but I disagree with it, so I'd like to challenge the ruling of the chair at this time.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Shelby Kramp-Neuman
At this point, there is a challenge to the chair, so we will go to a vote to direct how we would like to proceed.
Liberal
Conservative
Liberal
Anita Vandenbeld Liberal Ottawa West—Nepean, ON
It is to sustain the ruling of the chair, so we know if we don't want to sustain....
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Shelby Kramp-Neuman
We will now vote.
(Ruling of the chair overturned: nays 6; yeas 3)
Conservative
